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June 15, 2009

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Shava Nerad

I rather wish people were glomming onto the possibility of election fraud, rather than championing one of, what is it, seven candidates? There's no clear win here, and people are suffering -- but it's more poignant a demonstration of a community that had been told -- is still being told -- it is a strong free democracy -- and they're finding out that the engine of democracy may be hacked.

The characteristic of a strong democracy is the peaceful transition of power. I've wondered how many of the recent elections we've had were ceded, not because the winner won, but because the declared "loser" ceded gracefully for the sake of avoiding civil unrest.

Tony Alva

Re: your comment from FB... I'm well aware that this guy is no saint, and he is another council henchmen, but I think you're missing the 'good' part of what's happening over there and that is PEOPLE are standing up in direct defiance of the regime. If nothing else it's a flex of muscles that we've not seen in a long time. I think that's what I'm optimistic about. My Iranian friends feel the same. The council cleared the board of ALL reformers before the election season started, so we know who all the candidates are. No, this guy the bum you write about, but if all things being equal, perhaps a new guy who isn't calling for the destruction of Israel and hosting holocaust denying conventions will probably make things a little bit better for Hillary don't you think? I can understand the personnal perspective you have here, but don't let it cloud the fact that the Iranian PEOPLE are discovering what bums they have running thier country, and are letting them know it at great risk to themselves. It may not result in any huge reform, but it's a start...

Buddy Stein

After reading your posts on Facebook, I commented on the post of one of my former students, who was celebrating what he called the revolution in the streets of Teheran, calling his attention to the info you've posted here. His response? Rooting for Moussavi was like voting for Kerry. See where lesser of two evil politics has taken us?

bruce

Tom, I am in the camp of people who feel that the "mass movement" means something. There are many examples in history of progressive mass movements with rogues of various types as leaders.

My understanding is that his wife is a trailblazer, Iranian style, something of an Iranian Hillary.

One issue that has not been resolved: was, in fact, the election stolen? If it was, I don't see how such a massive fraud and conspiracy (how many thousands of people must have taken part in counting the paper ballots) could remain covered up for long. So far, I have seen no evidence that convinces me that it was stolen, other than that so many people in Iran believe it was, which, I admit, is a form of evidence.

Tom W.

Election fraud of some sort - outright theft, padding the win total etc - does seem likely to me. Some of the patterns simply don't add up. But you're right Bruce, no hard evidence yet.

I don't think that mass rallies are - prima facie - automatically a good thing. I mean, we weren't around for the 30s, but I've heard it was no picnic. The cynic in me is saying some of this is cleverly manufactured and there's a whole other ballgame being played behind the scenes.

Plus, huge holes in reporting - what about the other cities outside Tehran? So little reporting from inside the crowds?

Buddy - I was accused of being "buzz kill" for pointing out Moussavi's past. There is absolutely no sense of proportion - or irony, for that matter.

Brouhaha

"Buddy - I was accused of being "buzz kill" for pointing out Moussavi's past. There is absolutely no sense of proportion - or irony, for that matter."

*grin*

That wasn't for pointing out his past, even though you did it in six consecutive posts. :-) It was for failing to see the forest for the trees.

I said the same thing about Ralph Nader, even though he wasn't entirely wrong about Gore's lack of historical leftist bona-fides in 2000. He was dead wrong that the two candidates were basically the same. IMO, you need to focus on the big picture, that this is an historical moment, not just point out the fault lines in what is clearly an imperfect candidate.

Tom W.

Well, Brou - somebody has to - we can't all be the happy Twitter mob, thrilled with our glorious pop culture moment! It's occasionally worthwhile to scratch the surface...

PS - wasn't just you btw, I got that all over - I took yours as ironic in nature...

Tom K

Did they ever solve that case? Or are you writing in a degree of certainty, after-the-fact, to enhance the drama and newsiness? I'm not sayin', I'm just askin'.

According to the Times, "Bernard Stein said he was skeptical of the Rushdie connection". See http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/02/nyregion/despite-bombing-paper-is-published.html

The Times even suggested, bizzarely enough, that Bernie thought the bombing was as likely provoked by the paper's criticism of Israel.

The Grey Lady's coverage also doesn't quite jibe with your statement that "the newspaper I worked for was blown up" (putting aside by whom). Bombed, yes. Blown up, not quite. But you were there, I wasn't, and I am, as ever, open to the possibility that the Times got it wrong.

Bernard Stein

Don Terry of The Times interviewed me for that artice the day after the bombing. Once the investigation progressed, and especially after the FBI played the tape of the 911 call claiming responsibility and saying The Press was bombed because of my editorial defending Rushdie, I became convinced that that was the motive--as die the FBI. The newspaper wasn't "blow up," it was burned down. The damage was so severe that it took until September for repairs to be made and for the community to join us in celebrating the newspaper's return to its building on Broadway.
Bernard L. Stein

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