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November 23, 2008

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I knew the anti-Obama folks were nuts when they worried over the coming Maxist state, although the bail-out fiascos are beginning to be completely ridiculous. The only people not "bailed" out will be small business people by the time this house of dominoes falls.

I knew the pro-Obama folks were nuts when they screamed over how Hillary was a "neo-con" and Obama was the true voice of the left. He made far, far too many obvious choices that indicated that he was no such messiah for their cause. I have no problem laughing at them today, since I thought they were very thick-headed during the primaries.

I'm just hoping Obama can accomplish something. Anything.

Fantastic and timely post, Tom. I'm looking forward to checking out Savage Mules.

A nice posting, Tom.

Obviously, it is way too early to judge the Obama "administration", since it won't take office for almost another two months. What happened to the idea of a political honeymoon?

Regarding what Hayes calls "dyed-in-the-wool progressives" in the Obama administration: I consider Bill Richardson to be a true progressive, as is Valerie Jarrett. We got a technocrat at Treasury and Hillary Clinton at State. I have high hopes for Holder as AG. So I'm not entirely sure what people are exorcized about: Hillary Clinton? Larry Summers?

Obama has since the election reiterated his promise to close Guantanamo, pull out of Iraq on a timetable, and end the various anti-human rights abuses such as torture. They are talking about a massive stimulus plan, $700 billion or so, which the left has to like. (I do.) What is the problem? That he won't raise taxes on the highest income bracket until 2011? (This has not been stated officially, but obviously they are floating it.) These are minor differences.

I will be very disappointed -- and it would be extremely stupid -- if they don't save the auto industry. Manufacturing workers are every bit as important as bankers and private equity guys. Even more so, I would argue. Our manufacturing base -- what is left of it -- is a national asset.

See Robert Reich for more on this point: http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-citigroup-is-about-to-be-bailed-out.html

Personally, I would nationalize GM. A serious argument can be made for this, but I don't have the space or time to make it here.


Also too (Palin-speak): I just finished reading "Dreams from My Father." You can't read this book and not consider Obama a progressive. It is amazing that some of the musings from the book on race were not used more extensively by the Republicans during the campaign. He shows a deep and nuanced understanding of the effects of colonialism on Africa and Indonesia.

The two Presidents Obama is studying are Lincoln and FDR, the two most progressive Presidents in American history.

Melody Barnes, head of Obama's White House Domestic POlicy Office (appointed today) is a "dyed in the wool" progressive, VP of the Center for American Progress and former Ted Kennedy staffer.

Brad Delong thinks that Carol Romer, new head of the Council of Economic Advisors, is an "excellent choice."

I await Krugman's benediction on the economic team.

Give me a break. This is still a country that reelected Bush. To think Obama would be smart to appoint some former commie to a cabinet post are insane. One step at a time. Maybe by 2014 the American flag will have a hammer and sickle on it, but not before then. Relax.

It's not so much the true believers that bother me. It's the people who knew better and went along with it. Which, I realize, is clever and pragmatic, but too many of them turned on a dime at about FISA time and started gaslighting about what Obama said and didn't say.

Me, I think we got played by the DLC. On the other hand, the usual suspects in the middlebrow political press are just now realizing that the stick they used to beat Hillary with has a mind of its own and they're facing the popular presumption they built during the primary that disagreeing with him is tantamount to a vicious attack, which is satisfying to watch.

I'm most likely going to get a fair amount of stuff I'm not happy about. That's still a better outcome than I've gotten from most presidential elections.

"Me, I think we got played by the DLC. On the other hand, the usual suspects in the middlebrow political press are just now realizing that the stick they used to beat Hillary with has a mind of its own and they're facing the popular presumption they built during the primary that disagreeing with him is tantamount to a vicious attack, which is satisfying to watch."

Julie, I'm not exactly clear what you mean by this. Can you explain?

I mean that he was presented as the leftmost candidate, when it seems to me his views are pretty much exactly in line with what our pragmatic Centrists have been promoting.

OTOH, there was a report from a talk that nice conventionally wise Mr. Beinart gave to a bunch of students at Harvard about how much easier he'd be to beat than Hillary, and that really didn't work out for him.

The phenomenon seems to be progressives believing the right's portrayal of Obama rather than the real-life one.

As for me, Obama's centrism and willingness to build an alliance from the Great Center was his main appeal, and squarely why I supported him over Hillary from day one.

The hard left had better temper their expectations or they'll find themselves as marginal and irrelevant to what's going on in this country as the hard right are right now.

The American people's vote for change was ultimately about change to the 51% governing style of the Bush Administration; not to a 51% majority the other way but from the old moderate consensus of days past when politicians could compromise and government actually functioned.

"I mean that he was presented as the leftmost candidate, when it seems to me his views are pretty much exactly in line with what our pragmatic Centrists have been promoting."

Well, I suppose that there were those who "were presenting" Obama as some kind of raging leftie, but I think Obama presented his own stances on the issues fairly clearly. All one had to do was read a newspaper, watch a debate or browse to Obama's campaign Web site. I didn't do a superhuman job of research, but I was able to discover that Barack Obama was basically a center-left candidate. Others who voted for Obama knew or should have known the same.

Well, I'd've tended to agree with you.

"It's not so much the true believers that bother me. It's the people who knew better and went along with it. Which, I realize, is clever and pragmatic, but too many of them turned on a dime at about FISA time and started gaslighting about what Obama said and didn't say.

I'm most likely going to get a fair amount of stuff I'm not happy about. That's still a better outcome than I've gotten from most presidential elections."

I agree, Julia. We could have done worse. In the meantime, I’m enjoying the spectacle of some Obama supporters apparently calling other Obama supporters a bunch of suckers who didn’t know enough to go to the candidate's website.

I wish somebody would define "hard left" for me. It used to mean "card-carrying Commie," but I don't think there are any of those types left. Who exactly do the media think they're describing with that term?

>Now that Obama is the President-elect after a brilliant and highly-disciplined campaign

Gag. He won because of Bush and the September economic collapse (and if you are talking about the primaries he didn't win at all). He remains what he has always been, shallow, inexperienced, unprincipled, and the most Right-wing Democrat elected to the White House since 1856. The opportunity for real liberal change existed (thanks to W.) and the MSM and the Village hired Obama to shut the door on that opportunity. From their pov he is off to a great start. Why you are applauding their victory is another question.

"He won because of Bush and the September economic collapse (and if you are talking about the primaries he didn't win at all)."

Hmm...I'd have thought his strong turnout efforts, a record-shattering fundraising apparatus, and Reaganesque communication skills played a part, but I guess that's just me.

"I wish somebody would define "hard left" for me. It used to mean "card-carrying Commie," but I don't think there are any of those types left. Who exactly do the media think they're describing with that term?"

"Hard left" is a catch-all pejorative used by the media and demagogues in government against anyone who proposes that we actually do something to remedy the gross economic inequities in our country; against those who demand we recognize and state clearly the nature of the great orgies of mass murder that typify not merely our current illegal military aggression abroad, but pretty much all our foreign entanglements going back decades, or frankly, nearly all our military actions internationally or domestically from the first days of our republic, and by recognizing this truth, demand a halt to all future such violent endeavors. It is a mutable phrase that means whatever it is can be perceived to mean sufficient to dismiss as "unserious" or "not pragmatic" or "extremist" or "angry" or "nuts" (or some confluence of those) anyone who offers a real critique of the fraud that is our long-standing self-depiction as the world's indispensable nation, as the world's "good guy."

You can be sure anyone who uses the term "hard left" to describe any person or cohort in America today is an enemy of "truth, justice, and the American Way," at least as that phrase is used by those who mean it, who believe in true justice, and of a government of, by and for the people.

"I wish somebody would define "hard left" for me. It used to mean "card-carrying Commie," but I don't think there are any of those types left. Who exactly do the media think they're describing with that term?"

"Hard left" is a catch-all pejorative used by the media and demagogues in government against anyone who proposes that we actually do something to remedy the gross economic inequities in our country; against those who demand we recognize and state clearly the nature of the great orgies of mass murder that typify not merely our current illegal military aggression abroad, but pretty much all our foreign entanglements going back decades, or frankly, nearly all our military actions internationally or domestically from the first days of our republic, and by recognizing this truth, demand a halt to all future such violent endeavors. It is a mutable phrase that means whatever it is can be perceived to mean sufficient to dismiss as "unserious" or "not pragmatic" or "extremist" or "angry" or "nuts" (or some confluence of those) anyone who offers a real critique of the fraud that is our long-standing self-depiction as the world's indispensable nation, as the world's "good guy."

You can be sure anyone who uses the term "hard left" to describe any person or cohort in America today is an enemy of "truth, justice, and the American Way," at least as that phrase is used by those who mean it, who believe in true justice, and of a government of, by and for the people.

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