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Ahh, the winding gyre. or the 50th anniversary of Howl or 13 ways of looking at a blackbird.
p.s. thanks for Jason Servokas' Down in the Flood.

Funny, I was on that same train, but I thought I heard the conductor say that Mohammad Atta had met w/ Iraqi intelligence officers in Czechoslovakia.

*Ahh, the winding gyre*

Do you mean the widening gyre of Yeats, or do you have something else in mind?

I think he meant Yeats.

While finishing your post, I also thought of Wallace Stevens and you as a modern man of Haddam in "13 Ways..." (but I felt your post had a more Orwellian twist).

There's big difference between winding and widening; Yeats' gyres always wind, I suppose, but they only widen at certain stages.

Not that I can claim to understand much more than that about his entertaining gyre-related obscurantism.

Hmmm, Tom. Let's assume GWB was wrong in that claim: a matter that is still disputed, but that I am prepared to concede.

That, by itself, doesn't prove him wrong about his war policy. FDR claimed, publicly, that the NAZI's had a plan to carve up the new world. He even produced a map to prove the claim. Whatever the Nazi's may actually have had in mind, both the map and the plan he described were, we now know, inventions of British intelligence, which was very eager to assist FDR in his efforts to turn US public opinion toward war.

The decision to fight WWII was right, despite these unsavory facts. Likewise, as I have argued for a long time now, history's judgment on GWB's decision to invade Iraq will be influenced very little by the means that he used to justify the war, and very much by whether it succeeds or fails.

For that reason, the interesting debate in the coming years will by, what exactly constitutes success? (Assuming we don't see either of the polar extremes: (a) undeniable failure (civil war, genocide, US military disaster) or (b) undeniable success (Panglossian liberality breaking out, persisting, and spreading throughout the region).

Tom - sadly, it's damned close to (a) right now....

It's not good right now. I've never been convinced that (a) isn't the place it's likeliest to end up. But (a), if and when it arrives, will be very visibly different from where it is now.

It never made sense to me. Why would you invade Iraq if there were other options? Here was a country that opposed the Shiite revolution in Iran. Here was a regime that ran a secular dictatorship despised by Shiite and Sunni fundamentalists. So, why would you destroy that regime without a really good reason. Now Iraq and Iran have good relations. A good thing? Maybe. But I don't think one US life should have been lost for this experiment in nation building.

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