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» Mukhtaran Bibi update from Majikthise
Mukhtaran Bibi, the Pakistani human rights activist and educator, is still not free to travel. Yesterday, the government agreed, amid mounting international pressure, to remove Mukhtaran from Pakistan's "no exit list." Tom Watson this update at 8:20 am... [Read More]

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Mukhtaran Bibi, the Pakistani human rights activist and educator, is still not free to travel. Yesterday, the government agreed, amid mounting international pressure, to remove Mukhtaran from Pakistan's "no exit list." Tom Watson posted this update at ... [Read More]

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» Mukhtaran Bibi free to travel [or is she?] from Stygius
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Tom,

Shakespeare's Sister is another one.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2005/06/read-ems_15.html

I wrote about her on my blog, and I diaried about her on BooMan.

I find myself wishing that she were white and blonde- the American media would pick up on her story in an instant if she were.

OK, I'll play devil's advocate. Is Kristof lying, or is someone in Pakistan feeding him a load of hooey?

Look at the facts:

Context: there was enmity between her clan and the tribe of the alleged perps.

She was raped, but not "sentenced to be raped" as Kristof claims.

There is no testimony to support the contention that there was a council in the village.

The rape took place in a dark room late at night

There was no electricity, no lighting in the village. It was a dark outside too.

There were no witnesses to the rape besides Mukhtaran and the perps.

She walked home in the dead of night, not naked, and not in front of hundreds, as Kristof claims.

With 160 million people, more than Russia, Pakistan is the sixth most populous country.

Nevertheless, within two days after she went to the police, the leaders of this huge country, took a personal interest in her case. Would that have happened in here in the US?

The alleged perps were tried by a special court that doesn't respect the reasonable-doubt principle. Their guilt wasn't proven, but it sentenced six people to death. Two of those men were not even accused of touching her. Death for them too! And everybody cheered!

Those who were convicted weren't high-status, as Kristof seems to claim. They were manual laborers, and belonged to one of southeastern Punjab's despised Baloch tribes, stereotyped in Pakistan as troublemakers, dacoits, thieves, and generally no-good people. Pakistanis wanted to hang them high. Try to find a single article in a Pakistani paper that takes their side.

Despite considerable political pressure for a conviction, they were acquitted by an appeals court for lack of evidence. But they're still in prison. I've read several articles in Pakistani papers that basically say, "It's not about guilt or innocence anymore, we need to send a message. Something like this cannot go unpunished!"

Kill the bastards! Get a rope! Hang'em high!

Congratulations, Nicholas Kristof!
You've created the world's first virtual lynch mob.

Anon....

Actually, the goal here is to allow this lady out of Pakistan. Her life could well be in danger, so let me play devil's advocate -

Are lynch mobs in your region of the world so incompetent that they don't try to kill people, they try to put pressure on people to allow them to travel away from where they may be in physical danger? That's counterintuitive. But then, maybe impeaching Bush is a lynch mob mentality - or maybe not impeaching Bush is a lynch mob mentality. That will be argued back and forth...

At the end of the day, do you want this woman to have to stay where she may be in harm's way? If so, then maybe you're as bad as a lynch mob...

Dear Taran,

I agree with the goal of allowing Mukhtaran Bibi to leaving Pakistan and travelling freely. Freedom of travel is a basic human right and it was stupid of the Pakistani bureaucrats to deny her that right.

I knew that defending the rights of the accused criminals would not be a popular position to take. But their lives are in danger - they could be executed quietly in the middle of the night, as former PM Z.A.Bhutto was executed. I don't there will be worldwide protests as a result

In contrast, Mukhtaran is protected by a police guard of between nine to forty people - which she herself requested. They dare not kill her - the negative publicity would be catastrophic.

It's the lives of those thirteen people in jail that is endangered. If you believe that human life is sacred, as I do, their lives are as worthy of protection as Mukhtaran's.

Unless we proactively make it clear that executing these people is not an acceptable
solution, we may wake up tomorrow to find that they were hanged.

Dear Anon...

I think that the lives of the accused were always in their own hands. Their lives are in their hands now. Certainly, they too could travel. Wouldn't you agree?

Further, I don't think they can be tried twice for the same crime. I'm no Pakistani lawyer, but I'm betting that even if they went to court again today, they would be released again - because the state doesn't have a strong case. It's her word against their words. But that's normal in rape trials. I expect her father would testify as well, but without physical evidence... well. That doesn't mean that they didn't do it. It doesn't mean that they did either. That's probably the crux of the legal problem.

But the village knows whether these men are guilty or innocent - not in a legal sense that one would consider. But they know. And what happens, happens. If these are fine, upstanding men who would never do this, their village knows. And if not, they know that too.

"OK, I'll play devil's advocate. Is Kristof lying, or is someone in Pakistan feeding him a load of hooey?"

Anon for now, I oppose capital punishment. But you ask whether Kristof's lying or has been lied to by someone in Pakistan. I don't know, but if you think that, you also have to think the Pakistan Times is lying or has been lied to; that the BBC (which reports independently of Kristof) is lying or has been lied to by someone in Pakistan -- lied to by, say, Aamer Ahmed Khan ( BBC News, Karachi), who admittedly talks both of rape and of attempted rape, or Paul Anderson ( BBC News, Islamabad), or by people who filed all the other BBC reports. Can you give us sources to rebut the reporting by the Pakistan Times and the BBC and The Guardian and The Independent, on this case?

As I said, I oppose capital punishment for any offence, under any circumstance. It is to me (as it is to many if not most, here in the UK) barbaric. If these men are rapists, still, I would prefer that they go free than that they be subject to judicial murder.

But I also want Ms Mai to be allowed to travel and to be free to do so and fail to see why she is not.

I hope you can understand that.

Anon for Now,

You appear to be almost as misguided as Musharraf. You should take a logic class, because your conclusions are not supportable.

If Mukhtaran is free and protected why was she barred from leaving her country? Why was her passport confiscated? With the stigma attached to rape victims in Pakistan, why would she lie? In one of your posts you stated that some of your information came from Pakistani sources. Perhaps that is the source of your... confusion.

In one of your posts you mentioned "emnity" between clans. Mukhtaran was obviously able to see beyond clan differences as was evidenced by her attempts to enroll the children of her rapists in her schools.

It appears that if you choose to rely on Pakistani sources you should try reading the Pakistan Times.

Anon,

I live in pakistan and have followed this story since the day it started; on local as well as international media.

Sorry you are playing advocate to the wrong devil.

The rape was ordered and Kristoff did not discover this. The western media found out about this later, once the local media had reported this including the Urdu dailies.

The rape was sentenced by the village council. This has been clearly stated by all accounts of credible reporters.

Mukhtaran was paraded naked. [ This happens every once in a while in rural settings. with the local strongmen decreeing these sentences.]

You need not be the President of Pakistan or someone powerful to get these things done. Power is a relative thing. Even a small fish is powerful in its own small pond. In this case a village in South Punjab. The clan was the strongest in the village and probably felt it to be their God given right to dole out inhumane punishment.

Mukhtaran has had the courage to stand up against the System and all sections of Pakistani society are with her. Not because "we wanna hang em high"; but because justice be served to someone who has been wronged.

Tune in to the pakistani radio or satellite channels [ not Government sponsored ones] and perhaps that perspective shall change your views.

Reality

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